wetsammywinchester:

majesticduxk:

rosemoonweaver:

Who wants to yell about their favorite under appreciated ships and characters with me? 

(Yes, it’s you. I know it’s you. Come on and flail with me!) 

Hmmm. So many.

Dean/Victor is glorious and underappreciated.

I have a fascination with mick/dean but haven’t found any mick/dean fics (its on my writing list)

Michael/dean I adore and I notice a few more are starting to write that

Debriel popularity has slipped but I still loves it

Cas/Balthazar is surprisingly fun

But then I think about dean/Balthazar and if that would work.

And speaking of Balthazar, I’m writing a fic where Sam/Balthazar is a minor pairing

Pamela/dean (you could even throw Sam in there and its still a rare ship)

Tbh most het ships are rare, but I also have a soft spot for Sam/Sarah blake

Oh some good ones here! Would love to read more Michael/Dean as well as Dean/Victor.

Two of my favorites: Dean/Cain (especially when there is a sub/dom relationship), and Sam/Brady (the Stanford years).

And I think I’m the only Cain/Ramiel shipper in existence.

OMG Dean/Cain. Give me all the Dean/Cain D/s relationships! I’d love to see a fic where Dean’s a younger sub and Cain is his older Dom and also mentor. That’s definitely something I’m about. 

Sam/Brady makes me so sad. I can’t help but think of it as a bittersweet ship even in an AU b/c of what happened to Brady 😦 But sometimes I want that. 

Please tell me more about Cain/Ramiel. I’m intrigued. 

@wetsammywinchester

Agree 100% on Balthazar and Michael.

This is gonna sound really contradictory for a minute but bear with me.

I hate that Balthazar is made to be something he isn’t in fan fic and that Micheal is never allowed to be more than a less directly involved version of season 5 Lucifer. 

Balthazar did one bad thing. He was dealing in human souls when he shouldn’t’ve been and when he was caught he stopped. In his defense, it was likely he was doing this to get enough power to stop Rapheal from starting another apocalypse, but it was still wrong. That was one thing. Other than that he had an attitude but he was on the good side. But he’s an asshole to Cas like 80% of the time in fic. That bugs me. 

And Michael was in charge of heaven and pretty much allowed all kinds of bad shit. But, fanfic is typically the place to play with ideas canon dropped. If Michael is supposed to be like Dean who would he do if he found out his father was basically a feckless loser who abandoned everything because he got bored? I mean, it’s fair to say that while Dean was loyal to John he’s lost some of the good feeling he had for his dad as he’s gotten older. He didn’t like the pressure he felt as a result of John’s actions (no matter how well intentioned. I’m not getting into the JW debate rn). If Dean felt he had the weight of the world on his shoulders, how would Michael feel? He had to run heaven and care for all his siblings, knowing someday he’d have to kill his (probably) favorite brother. Hmmmm. Wonder where we’ve heard that before??? I’m just saying fanfic presents the opportunity to paint Michael as a dissaffected man/angel who’s faith in his father was shattered and that can be fun to play with. It doesn’t mean he has to be a villain.

But I’m biased and I know that. I just don’t like when things are one way and deviation is rare. 

Your tags on that last post are right on point, about the difference in policing fanfic for violence compared to sexual content. It has always been suspicious to me that those who express deep concerns about fanfic seem to zero in on only the sexual aspect.

Thanks! Sorry it took me so long to reply, I was trying to figure out what I wanted to say and how I wanted to say it. (Apologies in advance because this got ranty) 

I really feel like fandom is a double-edged sword at times. It’s pretty good about bringing people together and for shedding light on important things like consent, sexual education and health, gender and sexuality, and all manner of abuse but at the same time there are people who want to shut some of these topics down when they show up in fic. Like, we can talk about what consent means all damn day but it better not show up in fic unless it’s enthusiastic consent. We can talk about the joy of being proud of our sexualities but if a woman writes two dudes doing butt stuff she doesn’t know anything about gay sex and needs to stop. It’s like, on one hand you do get good discussions that can help you understand the world around you, but on the other now you must always apply those standards to everything or you’re terrible and contributing to the problem. 

But the only things I ever see about violence in fic is how to write it more realistically – like how bruises form and fade and what kinds of gunshot/knife wounds are fatal and how much blood a person can lose before they pass out. 

Now, I’m not saying I want people to start telling people who write violent fic to stop, I think that’s just as stupid as telling people not to write sex and sex related topics, but I do think it’s kind of interesting. Like, we’ve all heard the arguments that children shouldn’t play violent video games because it “makes them violent” but we know that’s a load of crap so we scoff and roll our eyes. We say things like “the parents need to keep an eye on what their kids are playing” and “as an adult, I shouldn’t have my access restricted because kids might also play them. It’s not my responsibility to parent other people’s kids”. And I think that mentality seeps over into fic, too, which I agree with. I don’t want to parent other people’s children so it’s not up to me to worry that my properly tagged and rated fics might fall into the hands of some kid. The same should apply to fics with sexual content no matter how vanilla and romantic or dark and depraved.  

A lot of violence on television is glorified, but not all of it is. If an action hero throws a grenade at the bad guys we cheer. If a man slaps a child we want to see him punished. We understand the nuance here. Not all violence is the same. And there is room for violent fantasies in television, movies, and games. I can play games where I can beat people to death with a comically oversized dildo because it’s absurd and weird and fun. But I’m not going to go out and actually try it because I know the difference between real life and fantasy and I enjoy hurting pixel people but can’t stand hurting real people. I think most people get that. 

But I think people worry more about sex than they do violence. It doesn’t matter what ship you’re writing or how dark you go, if it’s a violent fic we seem to get that making an argument like “but what if children see it!” will get you laughed at. If you make a fic that ships siblings in a loving way people can make the “but what about the children!” argument you will be taken seriously. Maybe it’s because we still have a lot of shame around sex. Maybe it’s because we’re uncomfortable. Maybe it’s because we don’t want to see nuance. But honestly, violence if fic is pretty common and yet we never seem to see calls for people to never write murder or death or fist fights. 

But I will say this: we still need to have conversations about consent and boundaries and abuse and sexuality. We definitely still need those because I think those are great for helping people understand themselves and the world around them. But I think we need to quit trying to apply those to fanfic. I think intent and understanding should be a factor but I don’t think it should be the factor that decides whether or not we should yell at an author (the answer, of course, is never). If someone writes a fic that contains sexual assault/incest/rape/etc and it seems to skirt the line of what we are comfortable with we should think about why. Maybe the characters don’t understand consent the way we do. Maybe the author is trying to capture a specific feeling for the readers to digest. Maybe the author themselves is misinformed. Maybe the author is writing a fantasy. We don’t really have a right to ask the author those questions, but we can ask those questions of ourselves, determine our comfort level with these things, and take action from there. If that means we don’t keep reading, so be it. If it means we try to write it better, that’s okay, too But the attitude that some people seem to have that says “you can’t write this topic ever because you don’t understand it/have no experience with it/are glorifying it/will hurt other people” needs to stop. 

If I can write a fic where a person deals with child abuse and domestic abuse and no one says to me “YOu can’t write this!!! what if a survivor finds this???what if a kid sees this??? aren’t you glorifying abuse because the characters still love their abuser???!! ” then the same should apply to fics that deal with taboo sexual topics. 

And no, these topics aren’t the same. They’re all pretty complicated and deal with a lot of emotions and reactions. They’re nuanced and some people can do them well and others just can’t. But I don’t think that we shouldn’t write them just because they’re “glorifying” something bad. We understand there is nuance to violence in fiction so why don’t we get that there’s nuance to sexual content as well? 

And I’m not here to parent anyone else’s kid. If anyone ever wants to talk to me about real issues they’re facing I’m here, but I’m not going to hold back on my writing just because someone somewhere might be potentially put off by it.