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Ah but that’s the thing the whiners are *constantly* made fools of, basically the second they open their mouths, but they don’t LOOK like they’re being made fools of because they dismiss any criticism as beneath them or scream that they’re getting bullied (after they were assholes first). I tried, seriously, made a good faith effort to have an actual conversation with a Destiel anti but they’re so locked in their own mind set and so sure they’re right that they won’t

listen, and that means they argue against view points that no one actually fucking espoused in the first place, and if that doesn’t make them look like fools I don’t know what does

That said never underestimate the ability of a small group to make a large amount of unpleasant noise (the NRA, anyone?)

That’s true. I mean, that’s what happens when you spend all your time in an echo chamber where the only people you engage with confirm your biases of what the “Other” is like. 

Though, sitting in the position that I do I think there may be a touch of sealioning that’s caused at least a part of that. I have seen a lot of “well tell me why you ship this” that is followed up with “you sick freak”. Which is wrong, of course, but doesn’t excuse the really vile attitudes the most extreme people have. But I can understand the distrust that they have of anyone tries to extend an olive branch. I think it would be good for everyone to try and understand the positions of the other side in this stupid ship war, if for no other reason that they can develop a little empathy maybe? 

Of course, they’re never going to get that bullying isn’t okay regardless of what anyone has done to them in the past and they’re never going to realize they’re not as clever as they think they are. I’d be nice, but it isn’t going to happen. 

I think they might make noise for a while after the first season (hoping that happens) but I’m hopeful they’ll get bored and just stick to their own fandom. 

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i dont think ive ever been more excited to watch a 1:50 hour video

it starts off tearing into doctor who under moffat and hbomberguy i could kiss you i love you great video already

please watch this video if you care about or have cared about sherlock or doctor who on any level its cathartic

this is the third time i’ve seen someone discover this video and watch all of it despite it’s length because it’s… that good

anyway, how do i letterbox this

This video is an incredible rundown of the major problems with Moffat’s writing, both in Doctor Who and Sherlock and properly puts to words a lot of my frustrations with him. 

Here’s a summary for those without the stamina for a nearly two hour video.

 He starts off that given people to answer to and the constraints of a one-off episode that doesn’t majorly affect the plot, Moffat writes an incredible story, and I agree. His one-off episodes on DW and even his parody spinoff were well done.

However when given almost complete control, he just makes plots that are too complicated and full of themselves. Eg instead of having a reveal be a catalyst for major character development, the reveal itself is the draw and just leads to more cliffhangers which lead to more cliffhangers and the answer is always “just watch and find out”. His writing is filled to the brim with the insinuation that there is more beneath the surface, but never follows through on those hints making the audience increasingly frustrated.

He completely misses the point of the shows he creates, making the main character The Most Special and bending over backwards to make everything about him instead of actually telling a compelling story. In the original Holmes stories, and in every mystery story ever made, the audience gets all the same information as the characters and we have a chance of solving the case ourselves. The detective is the hero because they put together information we would not have thought to connect. Sherlock increasingly pulls information out of thin air and there is no way the audience can have a hope of keeping up as the explanations get more and more far-fetched. The show even explicitly demonizes the people who do this! The narrator goes through each season and how this tendency just gets worse and worse.

Another point of the Holmes mysteries was the fact that they were one-off stories. You could read one without feeling like you’re lost in a bigger narrative, and shows like House that also draw from that source material generally follow that plot-of-the-week style. Straight off the bat Moffat tried to spin this complicated web of intrigue that eventually gave even the most dedicated viewers whiplash from the constant BS plot twists. He talked about the fan conspiracy that there was actually a secret fourth episode of the fourth season because on its own it was so unbelievably bad that fans thought it had to be on purpose and there had to be a greater underlying reason to explain it. (There wasn’t.)

He also dips into how Moffat has a clear contempt for the source material and rewrites these characters to be completely different in all but name, mentioning the queercoding of the villains as well. What made the plots interesting or meaningful in the first place is completely erased. John Watson is turned from the everyman narrator into the guy who has absolutely nothing useful to do except get kidnapped or drugged or put in mortal danger for Sherlock to save. 

That’s the general idea of it! 

Little, not so friendly reminder that 12×22 didn’t solve any of the big problems and little Lord Bevelle(-Ketch (lbr here, he’s totally Ketch’s)) is now an orphan and will be raised by the BMoL to be as vicious and immoral as his parents, if he doesn’t die before he’s old enough to drink. 

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rosemoonweaver:

So let me get this straight: the BMoL was willing to kill every American hunter because one of their little jerks got killed accidentally and 2/3 of the Winchesters weren’t playing by their rules.
BUT the entire base of BMoL operatives was wiped out including a senior member and both people in the running for head of the reformed American branch and they’re…just not going to retaliate..??? The “kill all monster forever and shoe now mercy” people? The “recruit orphans and make children kill each other to prove their worth” people? Are going to retaliate?

@rosemoonweaver – I’d been wondering this too. And it would make sense for them to retaliate. This isn’t the Stynes, where it was pretty clear that Dean wiped out 99% of them. No, the BMOL was a group with the majority of it’s resources still back in the UK.

Whatever win Sam and co. achieved it is temporary. There’s a whole load of assholes, who don’t even need to deal with regular airport security, just an international flight away.

But yeah, it’s questionable why this obvious point was not pointed out. Sam isn’t that stupid.

And the Stynes were only in like three episodes. They might’ve figured they weren’t going to work, which, okay sure, that’s fine, but the BMoL stuck around for an entire season. They were the big bad for all intents and purposes 

Sam definitely isn’t that stupid…but the writers….

Like, I think what really bothers me is that there was a clear way to keep the BMoL out of the Winchester’s hair and keep them from being a threat and that was converting an inside man. (I know, I know, I’m biased. I liked Ketch and I liked Mick – if a little less than Ketch but whatever.) The big issue is that you either have to wipe every single last BMoL operative out or find someone to reform the entire system or you still have the same problem. These people are dangerous to every monster and every human and just because they left America alone doesn’t mean they’re not gonna try again or try with France or Germany or somewhere else. They could easily retaliate and come in much faster and harder than they did last time and the Winchesters might not have a way to find out where they’re set up or how many there are this time…

Or it becomes a big fat mess of wasted potential and is never brought up again.

So let me get this straight: the BMoL was willing to kill every American hunter because one of their little jerks got killed accidentally and 2/3 of the Winchesters weren’t playing by their rules.
BUT the entire base of BMoL operatives was wiped out including a senior member and both people in the running for head of the reformed American branch and they’re…just not going to retaliate..??? The “kill all monster forever and shoe now mercy” people? The “recruit orphans and make children kill each other to prove their worth” people? Are going to retaliate?

Your tags on that last post are right on point, about the difference in policing fanfic for violence compared to sexual content. It has always been suspicious to me that those who express deep concerns about fanfic seem to zero in on only the sexual aspect.

Thanks! Sorry it took me so long to reply, I was trying to figure out what I wanted to say and how I wanted to say it. (Apologies in advance because this got ranty) 

I really feel like fandom is a double-edged sword at times. It’s pretty good about bringing people together and for shedding light on important things like consent, sexual education and health, gender and sexuality, and all manner of abuse but at the same time there are people who want to shut some of these topics down when they show up in fic. Like, we can talk about what consent means all damn day but it better not show up in fic unless it’s enthusiastic consent. We can talk about the joy of being proud of our sexualities but if a woman writes two dudes doing butt stuff she doesn’t know anything about gay sex and needs to stop. It’s like, on one hand you do get good discussions that can help you understand the world around you, but on the other now you must always apply those standards to everything or you’re terrible and contributing to the problem. 

But the only things I ever see about violence in fic is how to write it more realistically – like how bruises form and fade and what kinds of gunshot/knife wounds are fatal and how much blood a person can lose before they pass out. 

Now, I’m not saying I want people to start telling people who write violent fic to stop, I think that’s just as stupid as telling people not to write sex and sex related topics, but I do think it’s kind of interesting. Like, we’ve all heard the arguments that children shouldn’t play violent video games because it “makes them violent” but we know that’s a load of crap so we scoff and roll our eyes. We say things like “the parents need to keep an eye on what their kids are playing” and “as an adult, I shouldn’t have my access restricted because kids might also play them. It’s not my responsibility to parent other people’s kids”. And I think that mentality seeps over into fic, too, which I agree with. I don’t want to parent other people’s children so it’s not up to me to worry that my properly tagged and rated fics might fall into the hands of some kid. The same should apply to fics with sexual content no matter how vanilla and romantic or dark and depraved.  

A lot of violence on television is glorified, but not all of it is. If an action hero throws a grenade at the bad guys we cheer. If a man slaps a child we want to see him punished. We understand the nuance here. Not all violence is the same. And there is room for violent fantasies in television, movies, and games. I can play games where I can beat people to death with a comically oversized dildo because it’s absurd and weird and fun. But I’m not going to go out and actually try it because I know the difference between real life and fantasy and I enjoy hurting pixel people but can’t stand hurting real people. I think most people get that. 

But I think people worry more about sex than they do violence. It doesn’t matter what ship you’re writing or how dark you go, if it’s a violent fic we seem to get that making an argument like “but what if children see it!” will get you laughed at. If you make a fic that ships siblings in a loving way people can make the “but what about the children!” argument you will be taken seriously. Maybe it’s because we still have a lot of shame around sex. Maybe it’s because we’re uncomfortable. Maybe it’s because we don’t want to see nuance. But honestly, violence if fic is pretty common and yet we never seem to see calls for people to never write murder or death or fist fights. 

But I will say this: we still need to have conversations about consent and boundaries and abuse and sexuality. We definitely still need those because I think those are great for helping people understand themselves and the world around them. But I think we need to quit trying to apply those to fanfic. I think intent and understanding should be a factor but I don’t think it should be the factor that decides whether or not we should yell at an author (the answer, of course, is never). If someone writes a fic that contains sexual assault/incest/rape/etc and it seems to skirt the line of what we are comfortable with we should think about why. Maybe the characters don’t understand consent the way we do. Maybe the author is trying to capture a specific feeling for the readers to digest. Maybe the author themselves is misinformed. Maybe the author is writing a fantasy. We don’t really have a right to ask the author those questions, but we can ask those questions of ourselves, determine our comfort level with these things, and take action from there. If that means we don’t keep reading, so be it. If it means we try to write it better, that’s okay, too But the attitude that some people seem to have that says “you can’t write this topic ever because you don’t understand it/have no experience with it/are glorifying it/will hurt other people” needs to stop. 

If I can write a fic where a person deals with child abuse and domestic abuse and no one says to me “YOu can’t write this!!! what if a survivor finds this???what if a kid sees this??? aren’t you glorifying abuse because the characters still love their abuser???!! ” then the same should apply to fics that deal with taboo sexual topics. 

And no, these topics aren’t the same. They’re all pretty complicated and deal with a lot of emotions and reactions. They’re nuanced and some people can do them well and others just can’t. But I don’t think that we shouldn’t write them just because they’re “glorifying” something bad. We understand there is nuance to violence in fiction so why don’t we get that there’s nuance to sexual content as well? 

And I’m not here to parent anyone else’s kid. If anyone ever wants to talk to me about real issues they’re facing I’m here, but I’m not going to hold back on my writing just because someone somewhere might be potentially put off by it. 

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I wish fandom would stop framing issues of content as policing and frame it as a matter of responsibility for content creators 

fandom isn’t some space where you can do whatever nor is it a space where you can actively disregard your fellow fans’ well being 

if you create content it’s your responsibility to be aware of what messages you’re putting out into the world and yeah you do have to deal with it if it’s damaging content 

if you create misogynistic content, it’s not policing when someone says your work is misogynistic 

if you create racist content, it’s not policing when someone says your work is racist 

and that’s just like super basic I would hope someone has learned to call that shit out shitty messages you can put into your content 

there are plenty of areas of grey and mires of shit you can get into but if you’re willing to say what you create for fandom is meaningful you have to take responsibility for whatever shit you create and step in and you need to be critical of what you do and what fandom trends you choose to be apart of 

have some respect for your work and fellow fans by not acting like someone just decided to shout at you when you stepped on their toes first 

plenty of sad and dark things are dealt with through creative content and maybe all you need to do so you don’t hurt somebody is tag

sometimes you need to realize that promoting or writing something in general is harmful to other fans and you need to not post or share your work publically

the things you create are not just fantasy things you put out on the internet and then have no affect on anyone and float about in a vacuum, they’re not fantasies if you’re sharing them as content, and they can hurt and offend others and you need to be aware of and responsible for the hurt you cause 

maybe a good rule of thumb is if you would criticize a published content creator for creating what you’re creating maybe you shouldn’t do it either

Look, I get it. I do. There are things in fandom that I dislike. Things I find intensely disturbing. I get that feeling where you look at something someone’s written and just feel yucky. I do. The thing is: there is no one measure. We all use our own yardsticks for what is damaging and what is good, and yes, even what’s misogynistic or racist because there is no way to distill entire hierarchical, systemic concepts into single, individual actions or products. 

Let’s talk about what I call The Frying Pan Paradox. When Tangled first came out, some people found Rapunzel’s use of a frying pan as a weapon to be sexist, reinforcing women’s historical role. Other people found it feminist and empowering, taking an explicitly female tool used in a historically undervalued societal role and showing it to be powerful and useful. Neither of them is wrong or right, because this is not a question with an answer. This is a question with a discussion. There are a great many things that depend entirely on perspective or that read as oppressive or *ism-y more in a larger context than they do individually, and if removed from that larger context, might be unobjectionable or unremarkable. Oppression is a spectrum, with a relatively small area on the “unquestionably bad” end, and a relatively small area on the “unquestionably good” end, and a very wide, layered, complicated expanse between them. This is why we have intersectionality Female characters always being love interests: bad, right? Oh wait, except WOC are frequently relegated to background parts or niche films, so for a WOC character to be framed as worthy of love in a mainstream film is important and valuable, in a way that it isn’t for white female characters. Same with disabled female characters. Sane with fat female characters. Same with LGBT characters. And at a broader level than that, while the tendency for women to be constantly thrust into the love interest role is symptomatic of sexism and patriarchy, the answer is not removing all female love interests, because the point of art is to reflect, explore, and celebrate humanity, and women have relationships and partnerships and experience love. The single piece isn’t the whole puzzle.

So for you to say “it’s not policing when someone says your work is misogynist” or “it’s not policing when someone says your work is racist,” you’re starting from the premise that “misogynist” and “racist” are set, invariable things that no one could dispute or disagree on. You’re starting from a premise that a fanfiction, written by an individual who has been as subject to cultural conditioning as anyone reading their work, is the same thing as media created by professional entities comprised of multiple people over significant periods of time for mass consumption. You’re starting from the premise that the piece is the same as the whole puzzle, and it isn’t. And that’s not even getting in to the fact that a lot of the time, it takes only a tiny bit of scratching to dig through the cries of “Racism! Misogyny! Disgusting perversion!” to see that those objections are the thinnest veneer on good ol’ fashioned stan wank and ship warring (an easy way to tell this: when people get angry and scream about certain things in regards to one character, who just happens to be their favorite and frequently also their lust object, but couldn’t give less of a hang about those things in regards to characters they don’t care about or who aren’t part of their OTP).

Which is not to say there aren’t racist and misogynist things in fandom, because oh boy, there really are. But it’s a lot more complicated than what you’re presenting, and at a certain point we all have to accept that fandom is a microcosm that reflects society, with all the warts society has, and those warts aren’t going to be cured by the time someone updates with chapter 73 of [Halsey lyrics title here]. We are a work in progress. It’s best to get comfortable with that, otherwise we’ll all burn out real fast.

There’s also personal responsibility to speak of, which isn’t just for authors. How can fanfiction “step on someone’s toes,” as you put it, when reading fanfiction is by definition an opt-in experience? Fanfiction is not a fact of life. We inhabit a tiny cove in a great big ocean that most people don’t even know is there, let alone find their way to. If your toes are being stepped on, it’s because you put them under someone else’s foot. You are fully entitled to dislike what someone else likes. You’re entitled to think it’s weird and gross and all kinds of things. That doesn’t make you correct, and it doesn’t make it wrong for them to continue on doing what they want to do. The most anyone can ask is that things are tagged appropriately and that people are receptive to good faith discussion and criticism, particularly when posting things that will obviously have some degree of transgressiveness. And there will always be some people who will not do that, and that’s something everyone needs to find their own way of navigating, because the internet is a wild frontier, and fandom is just one Western town in the middle with a constantly rotating cast of Sheriffs and only our sketchy history of general cooperation to govern us. The only person who can fully, truly protect you is yourself. That this is unfortunate does not make it any less true.

“sometimes you need to realize that promoting or writing something in general is harmful to other fans and you need to not post or share your work publically” 

Why? If the work is posted and tagged appropriately, why? Does the presence of harmful things in the world mean those harmful things can no longer be spoken of? Where’s the line between okay-to-post and too-harmful-to-post? Who makes that determination? If there’s someone who would find value and comfort in reading said work, who are you to tell them there’s something wrong with them for that? There is literally no way to codify this that’s better than the system we have now, where people make good faith efforts to tag and warn, and we allow everyone to make their own decisions about what they consume, knowing that there’s going to be a lot of stuff out there that they don’t like and some portion of it that offends them or makes them feel gross. I do not need to be protected from someone else’s idea of “harmful.” Everyone here is old enough to make their own choices. 

Another note: stop and think for a moment what kinds of things would make “harmful” content something someone would want to write about or explore. Consider what it is about women’s history of oppression particularly in regards to sexuality that would make the sublimation of active desire into passive participation appealing (hint: it frequently stems from women’s active sexuality being framed as wrong, immoral, deviant, unladylike, slutty, abnormal, and a hundred other nasty adjectives, something that tumblr’s younger members may not remember or have experience with but its older members definitely do). Consider why someone who has been assaulted or raped might have interest in rape-play fics or fuck-or-die or what have you (hint: it may be a way of regaining control of a traumatic experience in which they had none, or a way to harness and control anxiety and fear of possible future assault).

Consider why the intensity of familial relationships could be appealing to someone as a heightened version of the typical shipping urges anyone might have about two characters, and how someone with past familial abuse might find personal value in a similar relationship in which both partners actively consent as they themselves couldn’t do or even felt guilty for doing.

Consider why fantasy allows someone to explore things they would never want to do or experience in real life. Consider how fiction lets us step outside ourselves and be anything we may not be in real life, whether that’s good, bad, brave, shameful, dirty, pure, adventurous, passive, depraved, or anything else. Consider that human beings have, since time immemorial, written both academically and salaciously about rape, incest, violence, trauma, and sexual taboos, and sometimes those works are lauded (Lolita), shamefully enjoyed (anything written by V.C. Andrews) or even worshiped (the Bible), but that there has literally never been a single study showing that potentially harmful fictional content increases that particular harm in reality. Consider that working out any of these issues and more via safe, personal, contained fanfiction is vastly preferable to trying to work them out in unsafe, impersonal, uncontrolled reality. If you want to be concerned about people being harmed, preventing them from exploring unsafe things in a safe space is precisely the wrong way to go about it.

Fanfiction is scratching an itch. It’s purging something dark. It’s embracing something light. It’s reveling in words or feelings, it’s testing boundaries, it’s playing. Fundamentally, at its core, fanfiction is PLAY. It is not society. It is not reality. It does not cause reality or influence reality, no matter how much hand wringing people want to do about it. The ills of society will exist whether someone writes underage Wincest sex pollen fic or not. To put equal responsibility for those ills on the shoulders of a single author writing to scratch their own itch is not just illogical, it’s unfair. After all, if people can be damaged by reading fanfic, the author could have been just as damaged from something or someone else. Suggesting that someone should be both responsible when it comes to others but immune when it comes to themselves is inconsistent and, when it’s applied so constantly and ruthlessly to women expressing and engaging in their own sexuality far more than to anyone else, it’s cruel.

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Seriously! Like, yeah, I get that he was a demon and he was potentially dangerous being around too many people, but they could have played with exactly how dangerous he could potentially be. They seemed to want to do that with the whole MoC thing so why not just extend the demon thing for a little longer? ugh. Yeah, I’m a little bitter about how little demon!Dean we got.

@rosemoonweaver YES! It was like – MoC was demon!Dean without the super powers. Which, yeah, sure, I get that but– Come on. Give us a little more. I love it when the brothers are together and all that jazz as much as the next fan but– Sometimes a little bit of different is nice. Especially since they spent that whole damn season fighting anyways.

Yes! Like, honestly, I don’t think I would have minded if Sam and Dean were separated for a little longer. They always come back to each other anyway, so I don’t see why they couldn’t just play with that for a bit. Or even just give us more than Dean singing karaoke when they were separated. I dunno. Maybe I’m in the minority, but I don’t see anything wrong with giving Sam and Dean a little time apart if it cranks up the angst factor and there’s a good reason for it. And demon!Dean was as good a reason as they’re ever really gonna have. The lying to each other and fighting thing got old in season 2 for me. 

You and I are both minority then because I agree completely. The fighting over the same stuff got dull fast. But demon!Dean, hell even purgatory!Dean – were both great ways to separate the bros and add to the angst without being dull. Purgatory would have been a little harder to work considering they fucked up Sam’s entire storyline while Dean was in purgatory so there would have been almost no Sam on screen if they’d kept him there longer (because seriously – no one wants to see Sam with that dull ass existence while Dean’s fighting for his life in Purgatory.)

Definitely! 

I really hate what they did to Sam when Dean was in purgatory. Like, I get why he ran off – he was depressed, had no idea how to fix it and had no one left so he was hiding – but they never did anything more than give that a throwaway line. And I wish they would have explored Sam’s grief more but they don’t seem to be good at exploring grief these days. But yeah. It could have been great angst if they did more with it. Like if they would have had Sam look for Kevin, kill demons, and angst about the fact that he didn’t know how to even try to get Dean back or if it was even possible. 

I’ve never been a fan of Sam and Dean fighting. Even in the early seasons, I was like… why? There are ways to drive tension and angst without having characters lie and fight and there are plenty of things spn has done in the past that could have provided that but I think they’re too afraid to actually do that. 

Spoiler warnings? Nah. Show ruined? (shrug) Your fault.

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Avoid @spnaturalconfessions and please help spread the word by signal boosting!

So this lovely exchange happened today, after I got smacked in the face with a gargantuan, full-frontal spoiler with a picture but no cut, warning or anything. 

I’m still speechless so I’ll write my thoughts down.

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Here’s a larger view of the response:

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There’s obviously a lot to unpack here, so bear with me.

I was first active in online fandom when The X-Files was on. The original series. That was in the days when Geocities hosted your site, every fan fic had a three-paragraph disclaimer and social media consisted of mailing lists and the Usenet. 

Spoiler warnings were a thing then. English isn’t my first language and there were no online dictionaries but I quickly learned their purpose. I’ve since been active in a number of fandoms, on various platforms, and spoiler warnings have. Always. Existed. They’ve been the cornerstone of fandom courtesy for decades. Yet somehow these people view themselves as excempt.

Some fans don’t mind spoilers, some avoid them, but most people/bloggers I’ve met over the years (spoiler alert: hundreds) like to be aware they’re about to exposed to one.

Personally, I’m a working mother of two children under four. My four hobbies are cosplay, writing, Supernatural and gaming. Between the job, the girls, the house and the husband I get to focus on 1, possibly 2 of those at a time. Currently that’s cosplay and a bit of writing, meaning about 2 weeks pass in between me finding or making time to catch up on SPN. With that background, you can see why I’m the spoiler-avoiding sort.

But let’s start looking at that response in more detail.

continuing to be on tumblr 2 weeks after the episode airs – after the season is already on netflix even – is going to result in spoilers.

Are these people even aware of

… the rest of the world?

… the fact that Netflix isn’t the same in every country?

… the myriad of possible reasons (*) why people may be behind even if they have the latest episodes available? ( * none of which they should be punished for)

As long as I’ve been watching SPN it’s never been on Netflix in my market (Ireland). Unless I want to risk prosecution, malware or credit card fraud from dodgy streaming sites, there’s one source for me to catch the current season on: Channel 4 (UK) lists episode 21 as the latest (aired 24 May). The last episode I got to watch was 19 (but I get it, that’s entirely my fault).

Also, it’s two weeks. Eleven days, in fact, according to the (not spoiler-free!) Wiki, since apparently the season final aired on 19 May on The CW. 

That’s these people’s cut-off point? After which it’s your fault if you’re not caught up and catch one of their spoilers on your dash? See, I run 4 blogs on this site, follow just over 200 (one less now, obviously); have admined fandom groups of anywhere between 600 and 1000 members. Let me tell you something:

Spoiler warnings are in place for months. If not by formal, then by self-imposed rule. On personal blogs, in groups and in other communities. And  “confessions” blogs are community platforms. Beyond confessions they answer questions or extend them to their follower base, help signal boost fandom events and generally carry integrity within the community. I’ve never seen any “confessions” blog (or any reasonably large blog, for that matter) post a spoiler without a cut (usually preceded by a warning) or tags.

And honestly, I had no clue the season was finished in North America. Why not, you ask? 

Because I’d been avoiding spoilers.

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Hey guys! I wont go into details but this wonderful lady and her writing really mean the world to me. I’m reblogging and asking for a signal boost. What she said and asked originally was perfectly polite and reasonable, and the response wasn’t. What she’s saying now, much more eloquently than I could, is reasonable too. In our Tumblr fandom democracy, a quiet unfollow or block is the easiest way to show that you disagree with the way a blog is run. The goal is NOT an angry mob, just to bring attention to a problem that could have been easily avoided not once but twice.
I’m tagging pretty much anyone I’ve ever talked to. I would REALLY appreciate a reblog but I get it if you don’t want to be involved.
@mybrothercomesfirst @rosemoonweaver @justanothersaltandburn @kittenofdoomage @ilostmyshoe-79 @golly-god @willowwincest @wetsammywinchester @littlegreenplasticsoldier @audaciousdean @purgatoan @brother-let-me-love-u

I tend to avoid the confession blog anyways. They’re ship biased, rude as hell, arrogant, and are in the business of screaming “no hate confessions” – except for allowing hate towards actors, characters, or ships THEY happen to hate, and ignoring or blocking any confession that MIGHT seem negative toward their otps or personal faves.

Good to know they’re rude about tagging spoilers as well and ethnocentric to boot.

I personally only tag spoilers for 24-48 hours, but I warn that on my blog, and continue to tag the season and episode numbers as much as i can so people have a way to blacklist a spoiler without me using the tag. I’m also a tiny ass blog run by a single dude. These guys have thousands of followers. How gross.

^ What he said. 

I’ve always felt confession blogs were an excuse to be wanky without the consequences. Don’t get me wrong, you’re free to have whatever opinions on whatever you want, but some things are better kept to your own blog or in PM (you know, so thousands of strangers don’t fight about it for no reason). 

I think I need to reconcider my own spoiler policy. I’ve taken down the spoiler tags for this season, but maybe I should keep them up for 3 weeks rather than 1 or 2. 

Idk, I just don’t see what the big deal is about keeping a spoiler tag for a little longer if someone asks. People can always put an episode number on their whitelist if they’ve already seen it. Seems super rude to me. 

@ my anon.

I saw your message but I’m on mobile so I don’t want to publish without tags. I don’t want anyone to be spoiled if they don’t know yet.

Do you have an article source for that? An interview with one of the actors or producers? I’m not trying to be an ass but I’d rather have hard proof than just fandom hearsay.

And yeah, honestly, Rowena’s death was a load of ass. An after the fact death for the longest recurring female character? Fuck that. Apparently no one knows how to write tense scenes or get pull fear or shock or horror out of their fans w/out bs deaths. It’s not like they could’ve not written a death right? Like the couldn’t’ve left her out totally or maybe done something cool like trap her in a witches glass or turn her into a mouse or strip her of her magic. Those would be way too interesting and require a half second more creativity.

I dunno, my friend. SPN does not have a good track record with keeping non-white non-male characters alive. It’s stupid. This season was a bloodbath. No one is safe on spn but I didn’t expect such gratuity.

I just… I dunno. I’m actually a pessimist by nature. (I kmow I portray a much different persona online but I am usually the first one to declare “all is lost” irl) and the whole thing gives me a sick feeling in my gut. Granted, I don’t see how this finale gives season 13 much traction in terms of story but… I just don’t know.

Edit: Yeah. The thing about having a golden opportunity to bring back Charlie or Eileen…. I would’ve preferred if it was our Charlie or Eileen and not voidworld!Charlie or Eileen. But if you decide to just randomly open a space time riff for no real logical reason that’s cool. Open it to a place where fridged characters are so they can come back. That’d be great.