@unforth-ninawaters
Oh, no, I get it. I’m just hesitant to criticize b/c I try to be more positive… on my blog at least. I’m super bitter about some things and will happily complain for hours, just not on my blog b/c I don’t want to get yelled at or upset someone else. (It’s actually kind of a problem I have.) And also I don’t want to be misunderstood. There are some things I cannot stand about the show but it’s still special to me.

But yeah. Being in fandom is way different. It’s much more fun and rich and interesting. I’m happy about making friends and sharing and reading and geeking out. It’s great. And I’m really glad it helped you through a dark time in your life. I’m glad you’re here with us 🙂

But not watching is fine. It’s not mandatory or anything, which is also nice.

@unforth-ninawaters
Well, I mean yeah if they wanted to just tell an emotional and heartfelt stort about faith, destiny, and humanity. But, cash cow.

So now it’s a weird monster show and I’m pretty much okay with that. Granted I came in later. I started watching… I think after s8 or 9 aired and I was catching up literally to escape my life which was an even bigger shit show at the time. It filled a void and it will always have a special place in my heart because it gave me something else to focus on. And it’s given me friends and re-ignited my love of writing. So now matter how stupid it is at times I owe a lot to it.

That being said…
S6 & 7 aren’t very good. They feel off in ways I can’t describe. And they both contain some episodes that inspire so much anger in me and I just wanna kick stuff.
Granted, I don’t know what I would have done to essentially restart the series, but I wouldn’t’ve gone with “last season but bad”. Starting small again would have been an interesting choice though.

…this sounds soooo much like how I felt when S6 aired. I was like ???? WTF NONE OF THIS MAKES SENSE???

Okay, but what the actual hell was season 6? Like, you went from this really great story about the apocalypse and faith in people and defiance and sacrifice and all kinds of other feel good ideals to fricken I don’t even know? Monster civil war that wasn’t. Apocalypse part 2 that wasn’t. Alpha hunting? Like… what? None of that season made a damn bit of sense. It was clunky and confused and everything was off kilter.
I will never understand how Sera Gamble went from writing Two Minutes to Midnight to running that. Though, I feel bad for her because after the almost end of the world what are you really supposed to do? She stumbled and I feel bad but I still really don’t understand what the hell even happened.

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But, that said…normally I’d think they were setting him, and maybe Lucy, up for a redemption arc but SPN has such a strong them of daaaaaaaark and angst that while I want to think there’s a happy ending there, if not for Sam and Dean than at least maybe for Jack…I just can’t be optimistic.

That said I find I’m surprisingly invested in him, especially considering I haven’t seen the episode and don’t intend to watch it…

lol. No worries about the misunderstanding. I also wonder what happened to Jesse. I hope he’s happy. 

Honestly, I’m refraining from making any calls because I was so thrown off last season. Like, my biggest issue with the whole season (barring the last episode and all the fridging before that) was that the story made no sense. SPN has a history of redeeming the most human of monsters so I was expecting Mick to be a turncoat. (Actually, I expected them to try with Toni first but… well.) Like, what was the whole point of introducing “man” as the enemy if you’re not going to actually solve the issue? And for a show that is so humanist it was jarring as hell to see no humans get a redemption. It wasn’t at all what I was expecting. It was like the plot I was actually interested in was side-lined for a plot I literally couldn’t care less about (build on super stupid actions by characters who aren’t that stupid). 

Any other time, I would be setting up mental bets with myself as to whether or not Jack would wind up good, bad, or bad but redeemed. This season though, I’m hesitant b/c how the hell am I actually supposed to guess when the threads I though made sense last year were abandoned in favor of dumber threads? I’m just… confused and irritated and I have no idea if this season will make sense either. It’s like… I don’t even care about being wrong or right, I just like the guessing game and finding the pieces I missed. Last season though, I just don’t get why they did what they did. It doesn’t make sense to me from a storytelling perspective, so it’s frustrating. So I’m not going to get invested in the story line. I’ll get inspired by the characters, the potential of new worlds, the potential the world already has and be happy. 

I don’t want a redemption for Lucifer because he’s horrible and deserves nothing but suffering. Lucifer can rot. Jack on the other hand is someone I’d rather see be a force for good. And if he’s not… there’s always fanfic. 

Also, I’m not sure what it is about Jack (other than that he’s adorable and kinda sweet and does that squinty glare thing) but he’s very easy to like. I don’t blame you for being at least a little invested. 

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Yeah I’ve wondered that a lot.

Both before and after this plot line hit.

It’s definitely a possibility, but I just don’t really care. I’ve been writing him in my Saileen BB so I wanted to see what he was like and I think he’s adorable so that’s what I’m sticking with. 

To be fair to the show, though, they have set-up enough to cause suspicion in who this character is with his birth and also the possible mind control and whether or not that intentional. But, they’ve also shown the character to be frightened, curious, joyful in discoveries and apologetic. (And the curiosity and joy was around people he didn’t need to “fake it” in front of.) They’ve got a good basis for whichever way they want to play him. It’s kinda early to make a judgement call but I like him so *shrugs*. 

He could be a sweetie. He could be evil. He could do terrible things for great reasons. Only time will tell. 

And, ya know, when have I ever cared about canon or whether or not a character was a villain when it comes to whether or not I like them? 

@deaneatscake @unforth-ninawaters
Well there’s the usual shit stirers who I’m pretty much ignoring at this point. But honestly I’m so much more irritated with the general mentality that if there’s anything remotely wrong with a thing that it should be completely discounted. Every time there’s a new release about casting it’s the same few things that circulate subtly in tags or texts posts. It’s complaining about tropes we don’t even know if they’ll be using 100%, what the casting choices mean for character backstories (so far new charcters are played by women of color so if they were orphaned the obvious conclusion is other characters of color were killed), how badly it’s going to suck blah blah blah.

It would just be nice if people would just give it a chance. I mean, fuck, how many seasons does spn have? They get all the chances. It’s not that I think the show should be 100% free from critique, I just have a problem with the fact that we know basically nothing about it and it already has people who are vocal about how it shouldn’t exist and people who want it to exist but complain about whatever problems they think it has. It barely exists!

But more than that I really do have an issue with the way tumblr treats any media that’s trying to make strides for the better but may have issues. I mean there was wank about who worked on Dream Daddy and how that made it bad. Nothing is ever good enough and I’m really tired of the idea that everything needs to be picked apart and destroyed until we prove it’s not good enough.

I’m just worried. I’m excited about a show with some of my favorite characters and new ones I’m excited for to step foot in a world I’m interested in. I just don’t want to see the show dead in the water because no one was kind enough to give it an opportunity to find it’s legs. But if the auidence reception is terrible for whatever reason, whether the show actually sucks or if it’s just not perfect, it won’t get the chance.