*facepalm*
Dabb’s saying that the main antagonist for S13 is one familiar to the show, male, and in the alternate world. “It’s an old — let’s call him friend — who we have not seen for many years.” And then there’s a whole bunch of yapping about Michael, etc etc, Dabb saying he’s gonna plead the fifth about this year’s villain being Michael or not.
But you guys… Michael seems a little surface-level too obvious, but also it doesn’t make much sense to introduce an AU!Michael at this point in the story. OG!Michael would make far more sense, but we apparently have the indication that the antagonist is definitely from the other world.
So, no. It’s not Michael.
It’s Azazel.
The reintroduction of yellow eyed demons as a creature and fleshing out the mythology by giving them names (Princes of Hell), the somewhat weird reintroduction and destruction of the Colt – that’s a lot of build up and tightening old mythology for what seems like very little payoff. Was that all just to introduce and kill Dagon, and do who knows what with Asmodeus?
AU!Bobby specifically mentioned that Azazel killed AU!Mary, but made no mention of Azazel being dead yet. Mary, the character who should have the most connection with Azazel over anyone (including Sam) and certainly has more of a connection with Azazel than Lucifer, is now trapped in a world where Azazel is most likely alive.
He can also be played by ANYONE (although Frederic Lehne would be ideal just cuz he rocks that role so very hard).
It’s totally fucking Azazel.
Wild speculation or no, I’ve got a pretty fucking good feeling about that right there. It just makes sense without being obnoxiously obvious.
Tag: spn season 13 speculation
This is a world where you were never born.
It’s a world you never saved.What bugs me about this is that if Sam and Dean were never born, Lucifer should never have gotten out, right? Wasn’t Sam the only one who could open the Cage? So either Lucifer got out on his own, or Heaven randomly decided to start a war on Lilith (?) but, statistically, if so they should have won easy. I mean, considering that Gabriel would very likely have come to his senses and fought with Heaven (because he sort of did in our world), that’s three archangels against whoever is ruling Hell – even without vessels, no match at all. And where is Chuck in all this? And does it mean everybody in the AU World of Doom knows about the supernatural? Has the destruction spread to the whole planet? Because that would sort of contradict what someone said, ie that the angels are not as powerful as they used to be and there aren’t many of them left.
God, I hope they’ll come up with some good answers for all this, and not just shove this alternate dimension into our faces.Yeah, I’ve wondered about this too. It feels kind of disrespectful to the S4-5 mythology, which to me is still the core mythology of the show. On the other hand, the whole S12 Lucifer storyline fits the previous mythos poorly already, and some of it never made all that much sense to begin with imo. Like Chuck seems honestly invested in the outcome of S4-5, but if he was then why did he pick such a stupid, counterproductive, unappreciative way to assist the side he wanted to win in the first place?
I feel like maybe Dabb et al, for whatever reason, are intentionally changing the dynamics of the SPN mythos, and maybe this is a part of that?
One thing no one seems to mention is that not only weren’t Sam and Dean never born but the universe is actually completely different. I mean, look at the demon Cas got knocked down by. It had horns.
Do these demons need to possess humans to walk around in corporeal form? I’m gonna say no. This creature is a seperate being, not just a twisted human soul. I’d be willing to say angels are probably the same way. So, something mustve happened along the way super early in the creation of this world that changed things, because that’s the only way it makes sense for this world to be an apocalyptic hellscape.
Screw ups in season 12 and the mythology of the universe we’re normally in aside, I really think this is supposed to be a seperate universe that branched off early. I genuinely don’t believe that if Mary refused to make a deal with Azazel in our universe Heaven would have just let John stay dead. They arranged for the two of them to fall in love and have Sam and Dean, there’s no way they were going to just give up over something as easily fixable as death. So, Sam and Dean could haven been important here in this hellscape Au but not as important as they are in our universe.
This universe, imo, is just one of many in the multiverse. Something split early and it changed the way the supernatral in the world was set up. Maybe here heelscape!Chuck created demons himself? Maybe there were fallen angels? Until I’m proven wrong I’m going to assert that this universe oopperates on different metaphysical rules and history than ours does.
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