New theory: the BMoL haven’t actually been watching the Winchesters that closely and whatever information they’re getting is from those “Supernatural as told by someone who’s never seen Supernatural” posts on Buzzfeed.
You know why Dean loves her though? Know what Dory’s motto is? Just keep swimming. Sound familiar? No matter how hard it gets, you just gotta keep grinding. Don’t you ever stop loving that determined blue fish, Dean Winchester. And never stop swimming.
This is a world where you were never born. It’s a world you never saved.
What bugs me about this is that if Sam and Dean were never born, Lucifer should never have gotten out, right? Wasn’t Sam the only one who could open the Cage? So either Lucifer got out on his own, or Heaven randomly decided to start a war on Lilith (?) but, statistically, if so they should have won easy. I mean, considering that Gabriel would very likely have come to his senses and fought with Heaven (because he sort of did in our world), that’s three archangels against whoever is ruling Hell – even without vessels, no match at all. And where is Chuck in all this? And does it mean everybody in the AU World of Doom knows about the supernatural? Has the destruction spread to the whole planet? Because that would sort of contradict what someone said, ie that the angels are not as powerful as they used to be and there aren’t many of them left.
God, I hope they’ll come up with some good answers for all this, and not just shove this alternate dimension into our faces.
Yeah, I’ve wondered about this too. It feels kind of disrespectful to the S4-5 mythology, which to me is still the core mythology of the show. On the other hand, the whole S12 Lucifer storyline fits the previous mythos poorly already, and some of it never made all that much sense to begin with imo. Like Chuck seems honestly invested in the outcome of S4-5, but if he was then why did he pick such a stupid, counterproductive, unappreciative way to assist the side he wanted to win in the first place?
I feel like maybe Dabb et al, for whatever reason, are intentionally changing the dynamics of the SPN mythos, and maybe this is a part of that?
One thing no one seems to mention is that not only weren’t Sam and Dean never born but the universe is actually completely different. I mean, look at the demon Cas got knocked down by. It had horns.
Do these demons need to possess humans to walk around in corporeal form? I’m gonna say no. This creature is a seperate being, not just a twisted human soul. I’d be willing to say angels are probably the same way. So, something mustve happened along the way super early in the creation of this world that changed things, because that’s the only way it makes sense for this world to be an apocalyptic hellscape.
Screw ups in season 12 and the mythology of the universe we’re normally in aside, I really think this is supposed to be a seperate universe that branched off early. I genuinely don’t believe that if Mary refused to make a deal with Azazel in our universe Heaven would have just let John stay dead. They arranged for the two of them to fall in love and have Sam and Dean, there’s no way they were going to just give up over something as easily fixable as death. So, Sam and Dean could haven been important here in this hellscape Au but not as important as they are in our universe.
This universe, imo, is just one of many in the multiverse. Something split early and it changed the way the supernatral in the world was set up. Maybe here heelscape!Chuck created demons himself? Maybe there were fallen angels? Until I’m proven wrong I’m going to assert that this universe oopperates on different metaphysical rules and history than ours does.
You ever accidentally hit pause at exactly the right moment on one of the 2 frames Sammy has blink and you miss it yellow eyes after drinking Azazel’s blood? I never noticed before, although tbh I could have seen a screencap of this like 6 years ago and forgotten by now 😛
Makes you wonder because he had black eyes in 4×22 so does Sam get demon eyes the same colour as whatever he’s been drinking?
Also how much do these look like Cas’s eyes in 12×19.
oh my god
holy crap
@rosemoonweaver does this add to your nephillim theory cause I think it does
New headcanon: Princes of Hell are corrupted nephilim.
from @wingsandimpalas Like It would explain why Dagon understood them so well and why lucifer left his child in her care specifically they’re more than likely children of seraphim or more than like the grigori which were the angel race in angel heart. They were called the watcher angels and in the book of Enoch the fall of the watchers was (according to Wikipedia) caused by giving rise to a race of hybrids known as the Nephilim. My mind is blown
I’m totally with you there. Like, the spn creation mythos is really murky at best, but the way I see it, if Lucifer is supposed to be King, the Princes should be special in some way. Knights of hell were the first demons after Lilith and while they were strong they weren’t anything more than just people who were turned demonic. I’m betting that in order to have a title higher than Knight you’d have to be something a lot more special than the first child of Eve and Adam. I like the idea that they’re the children of fallen angels, which is usually what nephilim are.
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