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@unforth-ninawaters replied to your post

For drug use I think it depends what we’re defining as drugs. I tend not to think of pot as a drug, at least not in the dangerous way. It’s basically canon that Dean at least has smoked weed. Emotional abuse and manipulation for both Dean and Sam is also canon. For harder drugs, I’m not so sure (cocaine, heroine, etc) but I lean toward no – maybe psychotropics, that seems a little more in character – and I’m on the fence about physical abuse.

(pre-series mental illness is imo as much as a given as during-season mental illness)

The thing for physical abuse is…my inclination is that John didn’t hit them, didn’t beat them in the traditional sense. But I do think his neglect shaded into what would probably legally constitute physical abuse – both in terms of food deprivation, etc., but also in the “it’s just a little scratch quit being such a baby, be a man” kind of way – leaving them to suffer through injuries that COULD have been succored if John wasn’t so fixated on “toughening them up.”

And yeah, I agree that’s both Dean and Sam. I do NOT think in canon that John did any form of sexual abuse against the boys, nor do I think it very likely that Sam had to turn to prostitution – Dean would never have let that happen.

I can see psychotropics. I wouldn’t put it past Dean to at least try things here and there but I’m not sure if it would pass experimentation. 

It’s funny to me because I posted a thing about Dean having anxiety a while back and the response was basically “yeah, totally”. I thought I was going to have to explain that one, but it seems like everyone I talk to is just like “yup, mental illness is a given”. Which is fine. 

I can definitely see John letting them suffer through injuries he doesn’t deem “serious” enough. I don’t think they were ever hit or sexually abused, but I do think they could have been grabbed or smacked or shoved in ways that might’ve left bruises, even if they were unintentional. I seem to be the outlier in that respect, but I feel like it could have happened a few times. I don’t think John would have intentionally hit his kids, but I think he might have been rough with them. 

And yeah, there is no way Sam would have had to turn to prostitution. Unless he was alone at the time, Dean wouldn’t allow it. 

@unforth-ninawaters replied to your post

I even kinda hate it – I hate that John W being a douche bag put Dean in the position of being young and desperately needing money. He had to be an adult so early. Even if he didn’t have to turn to prostitution we know he turned to theft and other crime. He had so few choices and was so determined to support Sam as John was unwilling to do. Poor Dean.

Like I don’t find in sexy (no offense to those who do) I find it fucking tragic.

Incoming John Winchester rant. 

I hate him. Like, I don’t like to use that word a lot and especially not for fictional characters, but I really do hate him. I hate that he put a child in the situations that required that child to be the full-time caregiver of another child. I hate that he put Dean in the position to learn to fight and kill and understand that there were things out in the dark that wanted to kill him at a young age. I hate that Dean was desperate enough he stole to feed Sam. I hate that he was neglectful. I hate that he was emotionally abusive. I hate that the last thing he said to Dean was “Sorry for sucking. BTW you mihgt have to kill Sam. Okay, bye!” I hate John Winchester. And I hate that sometimes his actions are supposed to be “justified”. Like, maybe it’s me as a child of an abusive alcoholic but I hate that he gets defended. I don’t believe he was doing his best. He may have loved his kids, but he wasn’t doing what was right by them. And I hate the justification is usually “but the apocalypse!”. Fuck the apocalypse, he could have done better! He didn’t have to be neglectful and abusive in order to keep his kids safe. He didn’t have to put Dean in a position where he was that desperate to steal, let  alone whatever else he might have done. 

Okay, end rant. 

But yeah. I agree that it’s a tragedy. A Pretty Woman type AU is a lot difffernt from canon verse, imo, so I am a bit torn on reading about it. I don’t find it all that appealing in canon verse, but to each their own.