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I forgot to ask you which House Kylo goes in

I’m really surprised no one asked after my little discussion of HP and Houses and all that. And of course you give me the hardest one to contemplate. 

So this is all subjective (obvs) and based off my own interpretation, but really I think a lot of it comes down to what his biggest driving force is and who he is as a person under everything he piles on himself. (And I’m not doing that whole Kylo is X but Ben is Y because they’re the same person.) 

Kylo Ben is clever and curious. He’s kind of quiet (outbursts aside, he doesn’t actually talk that much). He’s emotional. He’s also impulsive. He’s a bit of a traditionalist (don’t remember where but I’ve heard the argument that part of the tension between him and Hux is traditionalist vs technocrat and I can see that). It’s be speculated that he’s creative (calligraphy set). And he’s an idealist (the whole “I want to remake the world as I think it should be” thing). And, lest we think I’m only talking about good qualities, he’s also a snob and an elitist. 

I don’t see him as a character willing to do absolutely anything to achieve his ends. To me, he doesn’t read as particularly malicious. Desperate and reactive, yes, but not malicious. A good 80% of what he does seems to be a result of trying to get the confusion and pain to stop. 

All this to say I’m torn between Ravenclaw and Gryffindor. There’s no way I’d put him in Slytherin. Slytherin gets a bad rep for being malicious and deceitful,  but the traits I more associate with it are ambition, cunning, and willingness to do whatever needs be done to get what you want. While he is clever and cunning, I don’t think he’s that ambitious. His main character conflict isn’t “I want power and people are stopping me” it’s “I want to not be conflicted but this stupid conscience is getting in the way”. I also think he’s more desperate than he is actually willing to do underhanded and potentially deceitful things to get what he wants. He’s not a liar. He might omit the truth to Snoke, but he doesn’t lie. He’s much more earnest than that. (If he were willing to do and say anything, he would’ve lied about Rey’s parentage. He would’ve used the fact that she wants a family more than anything against her and either told her he was related to her or that he could help her find her family.) He’s not a Hufflepuff because he’s not a good “finder” nor is he very patient. His Gryffindor traits are more to the forefront (that reckless, impulsive, proud, “I’ll give ‘em Hell” attitude he gets from both his mom and his dad) and his Ravenclaw traits are more subtextual (asking questions, trying to figure things out, thinking, all the certified nerd stuff) so it’s hard to say. 

I personally would probably put him in Ravenclaw, but a solid argument could also be made for Gryffindor. 

kirunee-sketch:

(First, sorry my english guys 😮 ) 

A cover of a young Ben Solo tormented by his future on the dark side. I really wanted to do a drawing focusing on the suffering he endured.
I put Snoke in the back trying to get into Ben’s mind, a recurring thing in his entire life. In the scenes below I put as if it were the past and the future, on the left, the moment that was the pinnacle for his fall to the dark, and on the right, He already as the master of the knights of Ren (Vader’s castle in the background); and in the center a young padawan Ben holding the mask of Kylo Ren…

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 i wanted to elaborate more about this but i’m unable at the moment because of my language barrier :/ orz

(I used translator to help me write this orz /cries)

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Anyway, I hope you like it and i have Instagram too 😀 –> kirunee_sketch

benperor-ren:

esperanza-y-el-sol:

vanta-gold:

MONSTER
Fate by design

My heart broke.

Because of my neurodivergence I was told for years by people who were supposed to take care of me that I lacked the ability to feel empathy, that I had no theory of mind, that I was unable to be considerate of others. I once met someone who told me “Wow, your mom must have trained you well because you’re really nice for a kid who has autism!” Trained they said, as if I were an animal. I couldn’t help but focus on that one word. I know they meant taught, but it still hurt. I was twelve at the time.

Everyday I would have to listen to adults talk amongst themselves about how they had to walk on eggshells around my classmates and I, because we were unpredictable according to them. The security specialist would accompany us when we traveled as as a group, but it wasn’t about keeping us safe it was about keeping others safe from us. Just in case one of us “inexplicably” went berserk. I had a classmate confess that their parents were sending them away to a “special school” to be fixed and that they didnt want to go. Then everytime a shooting happened there would be speculation that the shooter might have been Autistic. The message I was getting was clear—you are a monster. You know happened?

I started to believe them.

I was becoming embittered by the constant bullying, and the blatant disregard for our feelings as humans. The I began to wish misfortune on anyone and everyone around me. Having these feelings made me despair even more because I felt it confirmed what everyone had been saying.

There are few characters I relate to as well as Kylo

^^^^^important stuff here

Especially among the “but Han and Leia loved him” crowd. Despite a parent’s intentions you can really fuck up a child’s psychology by doing this.

it’s so interesting how a lot of people who love kylo dislike poe and a lot of people who love poe dislike kylo. there isn’t this sort of disparity with some of the other good-guy characters like, say, finn (every single kylo stan i follow also loves finn even if they don’t stan him actively) so i wonder if there’s a reason for it like a disparity in fictional preferences.

leofgyth:

Coming from the perspective of someone who loves Kylo and hopes for a redemption for Ben Solo: I don’t pay a lot of attention to anti-Poe discourse so I can’t say for sure, but there are a few things I can think of:

1) A reaction against antis who want to match up Rey with anyone who isn’t Kylo/Ben. With the “I’m Rey” “I know” at the very end of TLJ, I guess there were people popping up who wanted to compare this with Leia and Han’s “I know” moment (which was quite different!). So, new Poe/Rey shippers, not “I think this would be a cool pairing” shippers but “this is the canon ship now, Reylo is dead” shippers. So there’s a tendency for Reylos (and others who like Kylo) to push against that (naturally, I think).

2) I do think Poe came across quite badly in TLJ, in ways that Finn (for example) did not. Finn did his very best, completed his arc from “I just want to save Rey” (which is itself admirable) to “Rebel Scum”. Poe, on the other hand, disobeyed direct orders at least twice, although he was forgiven at the end. His heart was in the right place, but the way it was framed in the story was decidedly negative. 

Honestly those are the only two things I can think of, shipping discourse stuff and his slightly negative presentation in TLJ. 

As for why Poe stans don’t like Kylo, I guess for the same reason most antis don’t like him (he’s so evil, killed lots of people, killed his dad, yada yada yada, you know, the usual) (Edit: I’m not saying that Poe stans are antis, I phrased this poorly – “most antis” is distinct from “Poe stans in the first sentence of this paragraph)

I hadn’t considered this before so I’m interested to hear what other people think about it, actually. I personally think Poe is okay, and I love the idea that he and Ben were friends as kids, although I’m not convinced that’s going to be canon. (I do love fan fics that explore their dynamic, though)

I can only speak from myself but part of what puts me off about Poe is the way certain folks in the fandom frame him and talk about him. I high-key hate the whole “he’s the son Leia deserves” “he’s the man Rey deserves” “he’s the Han Solo” kind of discussion because it’s just… icky. (Brief sidebar: if anyone has parallels to Han, it’s Finn. Poe is much closer to Leia. But I really don’t like the ST v OT comparisons like this because the ST are all new characters on different journeys and while some comparisons can be made they’re very different characters and arcs. And also there are way more important “pov” characters in the ST than the OT… so.) 

The other thing that really puts me off is the false dichotomy, which even thought I know is false, I wind up falling into, I guess. If you like Kylo/Ben you can’t like Poe. If you like Poe you can’t like Kylo/Ben. That’s really arbitrary but somehow it’s stuck. I’m less interested in Poe than I am Finn, Rey, and Kylo so I don’t want to put time and energy into correcting the assumption that I *have* to hate him when I’ve got other characters to play with. It’s just not worth the drama that I could endure, honestly. I’m sure the number of people who Stan Poe and hate Kylo and vice verse is probably small, but I don’t feel much like stumbling upon them over a character I’m not super excited about. I think that’s probably most of it, tbh. I think most people don’t actually feel that strongly but worry about stumbling onto people who do so they just all stay away. It’s kind of the issue the whole Star Wars fandom has right now. You either love the ST or you hate it, you either loved Legends or you’re glad they’re de-canonized, you either watch the cartoons or they’re silly garbage (because no one ever has mixed feelings or things they like and things they don’t, apparently). With everything so fragmented, why bother trying to bridge the gap if you don’t even really care that much about one of the sides anyway, you know? 

And there’s just personal preference, too. Poe is my usual kind of character, even after TLJ (more so after TLJ, actually). He’s a bit cocky, suave, loud, determined, headstrong, dedicated, absolutely sure of who he is and what he’s going to do… like yeah, normally that’s my kind of dude. Even if/when he pushes it too far and makes a decision that costs people their lives. Those things that usually attract me to a character are the same things that make other people stay far away, which makes sense, of course. Some folks like cockly flyboys and some folks don’t. 

And, for the record, I don’t hate Poe. He’s fine, I just like other characters more. And I personally dislike the way Poe is often framed by people who don’t like Kylo as “the son Leia deserved” so that makes me less enthusiastic to actually write or play with the character. I also really like the headcanon the he and Ben were childhood friends (maybe even best friends) and even though it’s probably got a zero percent chance of happening, I adore the headcanon/theory that Poe and Ben built BB-8 together as children (because bb-8 totally acts like a droid that was built by little boys). I like fic where they were childhood friends or neighbors, and I think the potential for that kind of drama is often under-explored in fandom. 

Keeping Sith On Lockdown – Thoughts on Ben Solo Not Knowing About Darth Vader

ms-camucia:

First off, for those of you not familiar with this particularly juicy bit of canon: as Ben was growing up, no one ever told him that Darth Vader is his grandfather. In fact, no one outside of Luke, Leia, and Han (possibly Chewbacca) knew that Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader were one and the same. Ben was 23 when it became public knowledge – seven years before TFA.

Storytelling wise, this is a huge deal that I don’t think gets brought up enough. It means that Ben never knew that it was Luke’s love for his father, and in turn, Anakin’s for Luke, that helped defeat the Empire. He must have grown up thinking of Luke as the “great warrior” who defeated both Vader and the Emperor, a similar presumption apparently held by many real-life people for some reason. At least Ben has an excuse – he hasn’t seen ROTJ.

We don’t know the specifics, but presumably Ben had been fed a similar story to the one Luke grew up on his whole life. Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader were two entirely different people, and Darth Vader was the one responsible for everything going bad, and he was defeated by Luke. Ben learns the truth eventually, and at some point, Snoke has managed to twist the story to frame it as weakness – Vader and Palpatine, the entire Empire fell because of sentiment. Hell, he may have even been able to twist it into telling Ben that Luke became as powerful as he was because he killed his father, but that’s just me speculating wildly.

Here’s how it all went down.

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Keeping Sith On Lockdown – Thoughts on Ben Solo Not Knowing About Darth Vader

ms-camucia:

First off, for those of you not familiar with this particularly juicy bit of canon: as Ben was growing up, no one ever told him that Darth Vader is his grandfather. In fact, no one outside of Luke, Leia, and Han (possibly Chewbacca) knew that Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader were one and the same. Ben was 23 when it became public knowledge – seven years before TFA.

Storytelling wise, this is a huge deal that I don’t think gets brought up enough. It means that Ben never knew that it was Luke’s love for his father, and in turn, Anakin’s for Luke, that helped defeat the Empire. He must have grown up thinking of Luke as the “great warrior” who defeated both Vader and the Emperor, a similar presumption apparently held by many real-life people for some reason. At least Ben has an excuse – he hasn’t seen ROTJ.

We don’t know the specifics, but presumably Ben had been fed a similar story to the one Luke grew up on his whole life. Anakin Skywalker and Darth Vader were two entirely different people, and Darth Vader was the one responsible for everything going bad, and he was defeated by Luke. Ben learns the truth eventually, and at some point, Snoke has managed to twist the story to frame it as weakness – Vader and Palpatine, the entire Empire fell because of sentiment. Hell, he may have even been able to twist it into telling Ben that Luke became as powerful as he was because he killed his father, but that’s just me speculating wildly.

Here’s how it all went down.

Keep reading