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Myri, I know what you mean about the ‘demeaning’ aspect. Clearly it’s not aimed at either of us, but it feels like pandering. All these basically identical girls who are all bronzer and hair and cheekbones, because *obviously* mature women can’t carry a show? Come on. They’re aiming for the 15-30 demo, I guess, but it feels kind of… off. Cynical marketing.

Hi, there. I know this reply wasn’t aimed at me, but you commented on my post and I would like to address some of the things you’ve said here. 

First, in my other post I mention that two mature women hunting monsters is a little too similar to two mature men hunting monsters, which is a large part of why I feel the show needs to be different. If it’s just Donna and Jody carrying a show it feels a little like just Sam and Dean carrying a show, and, to be honest, I don’t think very many people want to actually watch a show that’s *only* Supernatural with girls. That’s less interesting than a community of people, in my opinion, because “two against the world” has already been done… with Supernatural. 

Second, when fans originally championed the idea of a spin off with Jody and Donna it was actually a spin off with Jody and Alex. Post 9×19 (Alex Annie Alexis Ann) people were intrigued by the relationship between Jody and Alex and fans thought it would be interesting to see the story of the two if the powers that be were intent on having a spin off. The idea of Wayward Daughters, as it was called by fans, was added to in season 10 after Donna and Jody worked together in 10×08 (Hibbing 911) and Claire was of course added to the mix after her re-introduction in the same season. To the people who’ve been rooting for the idea of a spin-off, it has always been about more than just Jody or Jody and Donna. It’s always been about the idea of community and women helping each other navigate a world where monsters are real. It hasn’t been just about Donna and Jody basically ever, and it has been about the bonds and dynamics these characters have the potential to form. These girls weren’t “added” simply because of a cynical marketing tactic, the fans championing it wanted them to begin with. 

Third, I take issue with the idea that they’re “basically identical girls who are all bronzer and hair and cheekbones” as you put it. It’s never nice to disparage a person based on their appearance and this comment seems very dismissive. I’d like to point out that these girls don’t actually look all that similar. 

That’s Katherine Ramdeen (Alex) on the top, Yadira Guevara-Prip (Kaia) on the bottom. Yeah, they’re glamour shots, but that’s to be expected because they’re actresses and those are just the first two pictures I snagged from google. We don’t know how they’re all going to present themselves in the show just yet, and we don’t know if their appearance is going to important to any of them. Dismissing them all by their looks isn’t fair to anyone, really. We don’t know what their personalities are yet, we don’t know what’s going to be important to them, and we don’t know what their motivations are. And, from a purely aesthetic point, they’re not identical. They have different heights, skin tones, nose shapes, mouth shapes, eye colors, and hair colors. Am I being a bit of a dick? Yeah, I am, but I think dismissing them as all “hair and bronzer” is rude and disingenuous. 

And as to pandering, what’s wrong with it? (Aside from the negative connotations the word has but I digress.) This is something a vocal group of fans wanted and the powers that be saw it as a money making opportunity. We said “We want a spin off with Donna, Jody, Alex, and Claire” and they said “Well, here you go!” It’s a win-win for those of us who want it and for those who stand to make money off it. I don’t see what’s wrong with giving people what they want when it means fans are happy and there’s money to be made. Not to mention it’s a separate entity from Supernatural built with side characters and new ones, so it doesn’t really affect the main show.  

Look, if you’re not interested in the show that’s fine. You’re allowed to not care. But I have a huge issue with the idea that it’s anything other than what people were asking for. If you would have preferred a show about just Donna and Jody, that’s fine but I don’t think this was about two mature women not being able to carry a show. This was about doing something different, something fans were asking for specifically, and it’s a win-win for the people who wanted it and who can make money off it. It’s not too much like Supernatural in the “two against the world” department, but it takes characters a significant enough portion of fans were interested in and does something different. You don’t have to like it or watch it, or care, but it’s not out of nowhere or as cynical as it seems. 

me: *sees the Jimmy’s-dead-so-necrophilia argument* 

me: You know, this could be an interesting conversation about the body vs the self and what constitutes a “person” or (an angel) in the Supernatural universe. We know a soul is important to a person but graceless angels are close enough to human to call them such. Soulless!Sam was still Sam. Did Cas have a soul as a human? Are there different rules for graceless angels? But what makes a person a person? Consciousness? Body? Lack of monster-ness? Are we all just spirits inhabiting bodies? If the body changes or we are moved into a new one, are we still us? 

also me: *eyes my serial killer verse* *giggles* 

Honestly though, I appreciate the fact that Dean told his mother he hated her.

“I hate you. I hate you. And I love you. Because I can’t help myself.”

That reaonated with me, deep in my bones. As a person with deep seeded issues with their own parent, who go the short end a lot, and had to be a mini-parent way too soon, I appreciate that. Because if I could I would say that very thing to my father.

“I hate you. I hate you. And I love you. Because I can’t help myself.”

Love is complicated.

You aren’t being a baby or overdramatic at all. Emotions and feelings are real and they sometimes hurt, no matter what caused the hurt – fiction or reality, the emotion is still the same. You have a right to feel what you need to feel. *hugs* I’m sorry you’re hurting though, regardless, and I do hope you feel better soon.

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Thank you, Dean. 

I’ll be honest, it kinda feels like the cherry on top of the shit sundae. I’ll be better with time, it’s just… not what I was expecting at all. I’ve had a rough… three years or so? I don’t even remember at this point. It’s a long ass story and fiction (particularly spn) has been something I could consistently look forward to. 

It feels like losing a friend. Losing a lot of friends, really. I knew at least one of the characters was doomed and I had a feeling another would bite it too, but like… all of them? All of the recurring cast (save for Jody, Donna, and the girls) bites it or gets trapped? That’s what we get? It feels so bad, especially considering the way the season began. 

@wanderingcas and I were talking and she thinks the reason Cas’s death, in particular, is so hard to swallow is because we’ve spent so much time in his head. I’ve written probably 50k through his eyes in the past year. I know him. He’s a part of me in some ways, because all writers put parts of their soul into their writing and I definitely put myself into him. 

It sucks, you know? 

I’ll just let myself feel it I suppose. I need to work on actually letting myself process anger and pain so I guess this is as good an opportunity as any.