Nooooo don’t! You’ve done enough of that.
Alright, I’ll be nice to myself. *pout*
I don’t feel that bad about it, I just honestly forgot.
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@samanddeaninpanties replied to your post “Oh shit. There are still things in my ask box for a fic prompt game I…”
*judges you quietly* jk! Lol.
lol. It’s okay, I’m judging me too.
Yes exactly. And for some reason it also splits a bit for me? I have written serial killer!Dean. His relationship with Cas is not by any means healthy. It’s manipulative and coercive. But I make it clear from the beginning that Dean doesn’t know better and can’t fully grasp that what he’s doing is wrong and he’s mentally ill. Of course that’s no excuse. It’s still a terribly unhealthy relationship especially when he stalks Cas. For some reason that for me is fine?
I wonder if it’s almost a context thing? Because like, Angel Lust is set in a ‘verse where Jimmy and Sam are both serial killers and they don’t really have any issue with actually murdering people. No one in that ‘verse is exactly stable, but I think b/c I’m writing it with the intent to shock, horrify, disgust, and explore these darker things that I’m able to do it. Is it like that with you? Like you mentioned serial killer!Dean and those kinds of AUs usually have certain reader expectations and conventions, so does that change the ability to write it?
I only wonder b/c if I were to try to present abuse in an AU that turned out happy I don’t think I could.Ah that makes perfect sense! With dark!fic, going in you know there won’t be a happy or even somewhat functional ending and what is a happy ending is still miserable. In my fic, it boils down to a few options and the best is that Cas leaves Dean, gets to safety, recovers, and Dean ends up in prison. They’re both hurt and have their lives destroyed.
I also think that not trying to validate it and trying to make it sympathetic in a dismissive way plays a part too. If the other person’s trauma is dismissed or the behavior is excused, that makes me squick away from it
Oh totally! If you’re reading dark!fic you should probably be aware that it’s not really going to be “happy”. And even “happy” endings are pretty twisted most of the time. (I actually don’t mind a twisted ending if it’s pulled off well. I read a fic a while back where one character was a siren and essentially forced the other into captivity by speaking. It left me with a sinking feeling in my gut and I really enjoyed that because it was horrifying It wasn’t supposed to be a “good” ending and I loved it.) But yeah, even the best option for your fic is devastating.
Also, I agree with you on the invalidation and excuse part. There’s a huge difference between an explanation for behavior and an excuse for behavior. Explanations can make a reader sympathetic towards a character, but it doesn’t make their actions okay. I would like to think most folks understand that, but I’m not sure. And I generally just don’t like when the trauma of one character is brushed off by another.
That sounds like a fic I would enjoy. I love that dark twisting feeling in your gut that would cause. Probably why I love dark!fic and horror so much *lol*. I remember reading a wincestiel fic where the boys were serial killers and killed Jimmy, kidnapped Cas, and they all died. For that story, it fit. There was no one way out other than things getting worse and worse until it suddenly came to a complete halt.
I always wonder about that too. Am I making a character too sympathetic? Can people tell what I’m trying to do with the direction I’m taking it? And especially with what I’m doing with Dean, can the reader pick up he’s slipping and he’s going to start to spiral soon?
lol. I used to watch a buttload of Tales from the Crypt, Twilight Zone, and Tales from the Darkside as a kid, so I love those “and then suddenly everything is awful” twists in horror and suspense. I’ll eat them up. Also that wincestiel fic sounds fun. Do you have the link or remember what it was called? I think it’d be fun to read.
Creating villains with some sympathy but not too much is always tricky imo. I’m one of those people who really enjoys sympathetic villains and redemption though, so it’s an issue for me. There are villains I want to see get eaten by sharks or whatever, but I do tend to pull for the bad guys. I guess they just resonate more with me. Sometimes though, I think it’s fun to keep the reader in suspense. One of those “will they or won’t they” kind of things but it’s will they or won’t they get worse. But I don’t really write a lot of characters that ride moral lines. I’m trying to with my Peacemaker ‘verse, but it’s kind of difficult. I do hope your readers are understanding what you’re doing with Dean, though.
Yes exactly. And for some reason it also splits a bit for me? I have written serial killer!Dean. His relationship with Cas is not by any means healthy. It’s manipulative and coercive. But I make it clear from the beginning that Dean doesn’t know better and can’t fully grasp that what he’s doing is wrong and he’s mentally ill. Of course that’s no excuse. It’s still a terribly unhealthy relationship especially when he stalks Cas. For some reason that for me is fine?
I wonder if it’s almost a context thing? Because like, Angel Lust is set in a ‘verse where Jimmy and Sam are both serial killers and they don’t really have any issue with actually murdering people. No one in that ‘verse is exactly stable, but I think b/c I’m writing it with the intent to shock, horrify, disgust, and explore these darker things that I’m able to do it. Is it like that with you? Like you mentioned serial killer!Dean and those kinds of AUs usually have certain reader expectations and conventions, so does that change the ability to write it?
I only wonder b/c if I were to try to present abuse in an AU that turned out happy I don’t think I could.Ah that makes perfect sense! With dark!fic, going in you know there won’t be a happy or even somewhat functional ending and what is a happy ending is still miserable. In my fic, it boils down to a few options and the best is that Cas leaves Dean, gets to safety, recovers, and Dean ends up in prison. They’re both hurt and have their lives destroyed.
I also think that not trying to validate it and trying to make it sympathetic in a dismissive way plays a part too. If the other person’s trauma is dismissed or the behavior is excused, that makes me squick away from it
Oh totally! If you’re reading dark!fic you should probably be aware that it’s not really going to be “happy”. And even “happy” endings are pretty twisted most of the time. (I actually don’t mind a twisted ending if it’s pulled off well. I read a fic a while back where one character was a siren and essentially forced the other into captivity by speaking. It left me with a sinking feeling in my gut and I really enjoyed that because it was horrifying It wasn’t supposed to be a “good” ending and I loved it.) But yeah, even the best option for your fic is devastating.
Also, I agree with you on the invalidation and excuse part. There’s a huge difference between an explanation for behavior and an excuse for behavior. Explanations can make a reader sympathetic towards a character, but it doesn’t make their actions okay. I would like to think most folks understand that, but I’m not sure. And I generally just don’t like when the trauma of one character is brushed off by another.
11 and 16? 💜
11) what aspect of your writing do you think has most improved since you started writing?
I’m honestly not sure. I’ve always been writing so I guess everything?
I will say though, that since I got into writing fan fiction I’ve gotten better at getting inside the heads of characters. I think I’ve gotten better at writing and creating the world through their eyes and showing that to my readers, which is good because I think that’s one way to develop characterization that’s not always talked about and it can be really useful.
16) are there any characters who haunt you?
So, I answered this but I think I should elaborate, I guess. I have two “types” but there’s a lot of overlap between the kinds of characters that run around in my head and encourage me to write stuff. They’re either unappologetically promiscuous, secretly insecure jokers with big hearts and an abundance of sass or they’re aesthetic assholes who’ve probably killed a bunch of people but hide a deep inner sadness and desperately crave affection. Those are the kinds of characters that keep me up at night.
Thanks!
Okay, so Dean and Crowley must haunt you a lot… XD “Unappologetically promiscuous, secretly insecure jokers with big hearts and an abundance of sass or…aesthetic assholes who’ve probably killed a bunch of people but hide a deep inner sadness and desperately crave affection“ describe those two perfectly!
Oh yes. Crowley not so much, actually and I’m not sure why because he does fit. There’s a reason most of my fics are from Dean’s PoV lol. Though I just realized I haven’t written a lot of Crowley. I think he’s in like… maybe two fics. That’s… wow. I didn’t realize I was that lacking.
Yes exactly. And for some reason it also splits a bit for me? I have written serial killer!Dean. His relationship with Cas is not by any means healthy. It’s manipulative and coercive. But I make it clear from the beginning that Dean doesn’t know better and can’t fully grasp that what he’s doing is wrong and he’s mentally ill. Of course that’s no excuse. It’s still a terribly unhealthy relationship especially when he stalks Cas. For some reason that for me is fine?
I wonder if it’s almost a context thing? Because like, Angel Lust is set in a ‘verse where Jimmy and Sam are both serial killers and they don’t really have any issue with actually murdering people. No one in that ‘verse is exactly stable, but I think b/c I’m writing it with the intent to shock, horrify, disgust, and explore these darker things that I’m able to do it. Is it like that with you? Like you mentioned serial killer!Dean and those kinds of AUs usually have certain reader expectations and conventions, so does that change the ability to write it?
I only wonder b/c if I were to try to present abuse in an AU that turned out happy I don’t think I could.
@gabrielthemoose replied to your post “For the ask game: 1, 20, and 22 please :)”
Even if I don’t understand a word of the other fics, I’ll boost them for you. ^^ Also I think you touched on something I’d probably be uncomfortable reading and writing that I haven’t thought about much before. I probably wouldn’t be able to write something from an abuser’s POV when they’re knowingly abusive and recognize that what they do is wrong especially in the ways they’re trying to validate it
lol. Well, thank you. I probably wont post them on this blog though. I might on some other blog but I’m not even sure I’m going to do that, tbh. But your support means a lot to me!
Yeah, I think writing an abuser who knows they’re being abusive and doesn’t want to or care to stop what they’re doing would be really hard to write. It’d be an interesting thing to do in terms of a psychological perspective but I don’t think I could be the one to read it or write it. It’s too intense.
Inappropriate Usage of a 63 Letter German Word
Rindfleischetikettierungsüberwachungsaufgabenübertragungsgesetz porn???
I’m scared to ask what beef labeling laws have to do with this.
@rosemoonweaver It’s fanfiction – anything can be porn. Anything.
@threshie Okay, fair enough, lol.
The tentacles were awesome. the end wasnt so great, but until then, the whole thing was great and the tentacles rocked.
I will brace for disappointment at the end. Definitely looking forward to all the other things, though.
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